hf1

Shambolic sleep situation

My avatar
gilbertandmartha
Cloth Nappy Aficionado
Cloth Nappy Aficionado

Shambolic sleep situation

Postby gilbertandmartha » Fri May 25, 2012 3:04 am

I an about to loose it with riles. she is getting worse and worse about going to sleep. The main problems are on Tuesdays and Thursdays when they go to nursery. Everyone here keeps their kids napping until they are about 4, so all the mothers day out places, which are not a nursery because nurseries are full time, these are just church run programs, encourage naps.

They won't sleep at home and haven't done for at least 9 months. But fit some reason they sleep there.so bed times are a complete battle with her.

On a normal day they go to bed between 645 and 7 ish, and get up about 645. Riley will get up asking for something 3 or 4 times them go to sleep, lockie is normally snorting before i've left the room. She then wakes up around 6 and I keep putting her back into bed until 645.

Tonight she's been up and down until 945. Tomorrow she well be so tired its not funny.

I've tried everything. If I threaten takinga privilidge away she gets so worked up and keeps getting up begging for it back. The naughty shelf does work but again she gets so worked up she occasionally vomits. I let get have some toots that she can play with, so I do the whole you don't have to sleep but you have to stay in bed, but she ends up demanding others. I've dint controlled crying too which does work but i'm wondering if I'll be doing it for years!

She just gets so worked up by anything. We tried staying in for a bit and having quiet chats, made no difference.

So what options have I got there's a baby gate on their door so they can't get out. She doesn't disturb lockie so that's ok. Taking to her just doesn't work because she had the attention spam of s hyper active flea.

The only thing I can think of right now is taking all bed toys away apart from their favorite soft toy and doing controlled crying again. I knowa lot of you aren't i'm favor but when its just me on my own there's not a lot more I can do, and when the nee baby arrives I won't be able to keep this up.

My avatar
Miss_Purple
Cloth Nappy Aficionado
Cloth Nappy Aficionado

Re: Shambolic sleep situation

Postby Miss_Purple » Fri May 25, 2012 4:33 am

:hug: Annabel doesn't go to sleep until about.9pm if she's had a nap either, no matter what we do. She will lie in bed with a book though so we'll normally read a couple of stories, say goodnight then leave her to it, she rarely gets up now.

I'm on my phone so can't see how old the twins are, but imo there's a big difference between leaving a baby to cry itself to sleep, and ignoring the tantrums of a toddler. Have you read the no-cry sleep solution by Elizabeth Pantley? That was great for us. Maybe try sitting in the room with her, but not saying anything other than repeating 'it's bedtime now' whenever she asks for anything?

She may be feeling worried about the new baby too, so perhaps some extra Mummy time (cuddles on her bed, an extra story, sitting holding her hand) might help? DD went through a phase for a week or two when she wanted me to lie with hrr every nighybut that has stopped now.

My avatar
BingBongBoo
Cloth Nappy Addict
Cloth Nappy Addict

Re: Shambolic sleep situation

Postby BingBongBoo » Fri May 25, 2012 5:16 am

:hug: :hug: :hug: First of all, can you ask your daycare provider not to let her nap? Even if it's normal for them to encourage naps, surely if you don't want her to sleep in the day, they should respect that?

My DD is jsut 3 and doesn't always go straight to sleep when we put her in bed around 6.45. But she has a touch lamp in her bedroom and she knows that she is allowed to look at her books for a while as long as she stays in bed. She loves her little lamp and being able to turn it off when she's tired make her feel very grown up.

I also agree with the suggestion of reading Pantley's Toddler book. I've heard good things about it. :hug: :hug:

My avatar
evansmummy
Cloth Nappy Fanatic
Cloth Nappy Fanatic

Re: Shambolic sleep situation

Postby evansmummy » Fri May 25, 2012 6:18 am

I was going to say about asking DC cutting the nap to, is it possible? Evan is just 3 so I think he's a similar age to the twins? Even if he had 10 minutes there's no way he would go to bed well either x

My avatar
winniewheresmypooh
Cloth Nappy Addict
Cloth Nappy Addict

Re: Shambolic sleep situation

Postby winniewheresmypooh » Fri May 25, 2012 6:31 am

evansmummy wrote:I was going to say about asking DC cutting the nap to, is it possible? Evan is just 3 so I think he's a similar age to the twins? Even if he had 10 minutes there's no way he would go to bed well either x


Same here, Lucas is 3 and if he had a nap it would be 10 or 11pm before he sleeps. In fact from birth until he dropped his naps he didn't sleep until very late. It is hard and even harder for a child to understand that it is bed time when they are not tired! We normally put a DVD on in our room for Lucas when he has had a daytime nap so I sleep while he watches that and he normally drifts off before it's finished. Although he doesn't want to get up the next day after a late bedtime

My avatar
justme123
Cloth Nappy Addict
Cloth Nappy Addict

Re: Shambolic sleep situation

Postby justme123 » Fri May 25, 2012 7:22 am

I agree with the others. If it only happens when she naps then she probably just isn't sleepy and isn't likely to sleep whether you let her cry or not.

If stopping the nap isn't possible then maybe the best you can hope for is getting her to stay quietly in her bed looking at books etc.

My avatar
northernruth
Cloth Nappy Chatterbox
Cloth Nappy Chatterbox

Re: Shambolic sleep situation

Postby northernruth » Fri May 25, 2012 12:18 pm

[quote="Miss_Purple] Maybe try sitting in the room with her, but not saying anything other than repeating 'it's bedtime now' whenever she asks for anything?
.[/quote]

We've done this at various stages with Martha when she's been through a similar thing and it does work.

Can you not ask the playgroup not to put her down for a nap? sorry just read back and pp have suggested that.........if not I'd deliberately keep her bedtime back a bit later. Just ignore her but stay with her, any crying will be frustration etc as long as you are with her you know she's not properly upset.......

My avatar
gilbertandmartha
Cloth Nappy Aficionado
Cloth Nappy Aficionado

Re: Shambolic sleep situation

Postby gilbertandmartha » Fri May 25, 2012 1:38 pm

The hard thing about nursery is its not a nursery like the UK, its like they would help with potty training but they wouldn't take the lead if you know what I mean. Also the majority of people here keep their kids napping until 4 or 5 then keep them up until v late at night, because most people work late etc and expect the kids to fit around them. So they won't keep then awake, if the kids dint want to sleep then they have to stay in the room and read quietly etc. its s really different thing.

Anyway while mum is here i'm going to see about picking them up at 1 rather than 2 they sleep at 1. Most people pick up at 12 so not sure if they will let me. If I pick up at 12 then its just not worth it.

So I have decided its sleep boot camp tonight. I'm going to do only 2 toys in bed so no asking for more. And leave her to have a tantrum if needs be. Also i'm going to take her to buy a special night teddy bear.

I do do a later bedtime on nursery days, but 10 us unacceptable!


Return to Baby and Toddler