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Which is better? (more weaning controversy!)

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Re: Which is better? (more weaning controversy!)

Postby emmalala » Wed Jan 05, 2011 12:36 pm

charlibunny wrote:Maybe she should give the baby some quavers???




:coatdoor: :coatdoor: :surrender: Sorry couldn't resist that one...



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I weaned my son's when I felt they were ready. Tyler was ready around 4 months, lewis was 6 months, bailey 5 months and dan was 5 months. None of them have allergies or anything. It was just when they seemed ready and able. Taking from my plate was a good indication! and when they could sit up straight

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Re: Which is better? (more weaning controversy!)

Postby Kirstyh » Wed Jan 05, 2011 12:39 pm

K and A were both weaned at 4 months as was the "norm" then but they were both ready, K was bf until 7 months , A on;y 6 weeks due to issues, G bf until 13 weeks and weaned at nearly 7 months as she just wasn't interested until then. I have been fortunate in that I followed my instincts and did what they wanted, had K and A not been ready to be weaned at that age then they wouldn't have.
Despite all being different they are all perfectly healthy with no issues at all, I even ate peanuts when pregnant, shock horror :shock: :giggle:

I think bf til 18-20 weeks is great and she shouldn't be knocked for that at all, yes it would be lovely if she had the encouragement to continue along with weaning (18 weeks really isn't that early and baby will soon let her know if it isn't ready) but switching to formula isn't the end of the world x

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Re: Which is better? (more weaning controversy!)

Postby becsom » Wed Jan 05, 2011 1:30 pm

nappynutter wrote:
becsom wrote:
ebonina wrote:Aren't there studies going on questioning whether delayed weaning is the cause of allergies and that weaning at 3 months would be better?


This really pricked up my ears (eyes?) as I hadn't heard this before. Had a quick scan on Pubmed and found this 2009 review article which suggests it might be better to wean at 4-6m.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19685855

How bizarre!!!! It could be that the increase in childhood allergies seen in recent years could be in part attributable to delayed weaning :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

And I agree, weaning is much harder work, and messy! With DD1 I was keen to see how she got on with food even though I didn't think she was ready at 6m as she was prem. With DD2 I just kept putting it off until I got told off by the HV :roll:


This article has been ripped to shreds by endless different experts. Babies were weaned at 9-12 months for thousands of years until the 1920's when formula milk became more available but was so awful babies died unless given solids at 3 months. The recent increase in allergies is related to formula, early weaning and environmental toxins not later weaning.


I haven't read the full text of the article as I can't find access to it (as I'm now a mere SAHM, no longer a working scientist :wink: ), but I'd be interested to read the critique of it if you have any links. From the abstract, I gathered it was a review of the current/recent literature of population studies, not a piece of of original research.

The childhood allergy thing isn't something I've done a lot of reading about, but I imagine there are LOADS of contributing factors. There's also the 'hygiene hypothesis' (we're all too clean nowadays, not enough mud eating :giggle:) and I just read about a study showing that significantly more children with food allergy symptoms were born in the autumn/winter months (not enough sunshine to build a healthy immune system).

Environmental toxins might play a part too, but the human body is so complex I doubt we could point the finger at any one single thing and say that it was the solitary cause of allergies. I'm sure genetic predisposition factors into it in a major way too.

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Re: Which is better? (more weaning controversy!)

Postby nappynutter » Wed Jan 05, 2011 3:38 pm

ebonina wrote:This is the study I was thinking of http://www.eatstudy.co.uk/ , I'll see if I can find any of the other studies I read.


http://www.eatstudy.co.uk/study-team/

Prof Gideon Lack
Principal Investigator
Professor Lack is a Professor of Paediatric Allergy, Kings College London and a member of the MRC-Asthmas UK Centre in Allergic Mechanisms of Asthma. He is also Head of the Children’s Allergy Service, Guy’s and St Thomas’ NHS Foundation Trust. Having completed his medical degree and senior house officer appointments at the John Radcliffe in Oxford he spent 4 years specialising in paediatric allergy and immunology in Denver, Colorado. Over the past 10 years he has worked at St Mary’s Hospital London where he ran the Department of Paediatric Allergy and Immunology. Dr Lack’s research has focused on the prevalence or food allergies in children and the relationship between food allergies, eczema and asthma. He is currently also one of the Principle Investigators on the LEAP study (Learning Early About Peanut allergy) also being run within the Evelina Children’s Hospital at St Thomas’ Hospital.

Declaration of Interest:
Personal remuneration: Lectures (SHS Nutricia, Nestle, SHS International); Consultancy for Advisory Board (Synovate, Novartix Xolair, ALK Abello).
Research funding: Immune Tolerance Network, National Peanut Board, Food Standards Agency, Food Allergy Initiative, Food Allergy and Anaphylaxis Network, Medical Research Council.
Volunteer positions held: Scientific Advisor (Anaphylaxis Campaign, National Peanut Board)

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Re: Which is better? (more weaning controversy!)

Postby nappynutter » Wed Jan 05, 2011 3:42 pm

becsom wrote:The childhood allergy thing isn't something I've done a lot of reading about, but I imagine there are LOADS of contributing factors. There's also the 'hygiene hypothesis' (we're all too clean nowadays, not enough mud eating :giggle:) and I just read about a study showing that significantly more children with food allergy symptoms were born in the autumn/winter months (not enough sunshine to build a healthy immune system).

Environmental toxins might play a part too, but the human body is so complex I doubt we could point the finger at any one single thing and say that it was the solitary cause of allergies. I'm sure genetic predisposition factors into it in a major way too.


Yup, other theories are homes are too clean, lack of vitamin D from the sun, poor diet and increased use of Calpol, antibiotics and other drugs (including vaccines).

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Re: Which is better? (more weaning controversy!)

Postby northernruth » Wed Jan 05, 2011 5:52 pm

charlibunny wrote:Maybe she should give the baby some quavers???




:coatdoor: :coatdoor: :surrender: Sorry couldn't resist that one...


:hohoho: :hohoho: :hohoho: :hohoho:

There's always one........... :wink:

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Re: Which is better? (more weaning controversy!)

Postby northernruth » Wed Jan 05, 2011 5:57 pm

Kirstyh wrote:I think bf til 18-20 weeks is great and she shouldn't be knocked for that at all, yes it would be lovely if she had the encouragement to continue along with weaning (18 weeks really isn't that early and baby will soon let her know if it isn't ready) but switching to formula isn't the end of the world x


Oh no I'm not knocking her for that AT ALL, and actually think she is planning to continue to BF, I just thought it was an odd juxtaposition of a committed BF thinking of weaning early - but the comments about the norm in Sweden make sense too.

A bit OT, but my friend who was with me has just applied for a hospital midwife position in Harrogate, and the unit there has an 85% BF discharge rate :shock: :wine: how impressive is that???

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Re: Which is better? (more weaning controversy!)

Postby JenKyleKaitlinRoo » Wed Jan 05, 2011 6:25 pm

Hmm i dont think that all the BFing work will be totally undone with weaning early but it would prob be good if she could get herself to a BF group and chat to some of the other people there as they very well may be going through the same things.

It took me 3 kids to finally get things the way I wanted. DS1 was FF from birth and weaned at 18weeks. He has citrus allergy and milk issues (dry sore skin and couldnt have cows milk until he was 3.5). DD was ff at birth but then got 1 weeks expressed milk as I felt so guitly for not trying (i said I wanted to and the mw said there was no point :shock:) she was then fully FF. We did blw and she has no allergies or issues. Ruairidh was EBF until 5.5months then was BLW but he didnt eat much at all until closer to 8 months. No allergies or issues with him either so far and he will be BF until he weans.

My area has non existant BF rates :( 35% at 10 days and 19% at 6 week check!

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Re: Which is better? (more weaning controversy!)

Postby nappynutter » Wed Jan 05, 2011 6:29 pm

northernruth wrote:A bit OT, but my friend who was with me has just applied for a hospital midwife position in Harrogate, and the unit there has an 85% BF discharge rate :shock: :wine: how impressive is that???


Fab! Such a shame that only 35% are breastfeeding at 6 weeks though. :(

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